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Product Manager of Live Search Webmaster Tools, Jeremiah Andrick spent the day here at the WebProNews headquarters. Our very own Mike McDonald took him on a wild, Kentucky escapade while picking his brain about Webmaster tools at MSN. Andrick discusses indexing issues, cloaking detection, and goes into detail about why AdSense showed up in their search results. While showing off their athleticism, the two also discuss why transparency is key and why to stay away from paid links. Don’t miss all of this and the inside scoop to both companies’ viral campaign, right here on WebProNews.
Tags: Adsense, cloaking detection, Jeremiah Andrick, Live Search Webmaster Tools, Microsoft, Mike McDonald, MSN, paid links
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January 8th, 2008 at 1:35 pm
Jeremiah I would love to hear why websites like http://www.coleparmer.com do so poorly in MSN? Simply not enough content is not a good answer because that is not the type of website where their product pages would have loads of content
January 8th, 2008 at 2:56 pm
MSN… who really cares? Their market share sucks and their wannabe different then Google arrogant attitude falls way short of getting the job done.
January 8th, 2008 at 5:05 pm
So.. how do you really feel about it?
January 8th, 2008 at 5:13 pm
By the way I really enjoyed the laid back feeling of the video. Mike this could be a whole new angle in talking folks. I might have to come visit Lex if your buying the beer.
January 8th, 2008 at 5:22 pm
Come on down!
January 9th, 2008 at 12:16 am
Well lets see… How do I really feel. I think MSN sucks and so does most of the rest of the world. Why? because their search results are crap. Their “ultra secret” algorithms put too much weight on the age (God knows that’s a good indicator of quality) of domains rather then content and peer authority. Cloaking he says? who the hell has cloaked links in the last 4 years? Give me a break admin… are you 12 years old?
January 9th, 2008 at 12:30 am
But how many of you really use live.com? Nobody cares about MSN’s online properties.
January 9th, 2008 at 10:00 am
This is really hacking me off, I have seen my web site go from pole position to not even listed and try as hard as I can I just cannot get live search to show me in the first 20 pages, sites with less relevant content get higher than me, I have no cloaking or anything that can be defined as not acceptable with MSN live search. I have used the tools, validated the site but still nothing. With Google and Yahoo I have no problems.
Here is a thought…..if you have been used to having your site top of the stack is it MSN’s intention to push us to PPC by not giving us the positions back that we had put so much effort into ???? Just a thought.
January 10th, 2008 at 12:03 pm
Mike, totally awesome video. Congrats on making it both educational and a ton of fun.
January 10th, 2008 at 12:54 pm
Jaan thanks for the question. The answer comes down to a number of factors. Things like our index size; something we are working fevorishly to improve. We can index billions of sites, but not every page and not every site. We are working to improve this, but it takes time. So your right it isn’t just up to the content provider. My job however is to help you to find ways to improve the likely hood that your site will be indexed and ranked without giving away the secret sauce.
I would be glad to work with you individually. Contact me at our blog and we can discuss offline. blogs.msdn.com/webmaster
January 10th, 2008 at 3:05 pm
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January 10th, 2008 at 8:02 pm
What’s the score with MSN, MSN have made it really difficult to rank, others will disagree, but I find MSN the most fussy SE to rank in. Google & Yahoo are the easiest out of the Top 3 SE’s. No matter how well you link from another site, or how good your Onpage and Offpage SEO is, MSN still wont rank you. Others over at SEO Elite and Keyword Elite Forum will say the same.
January 10th, 2008 at 11:40 pm
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January 11th, 2008 at 2:57 am
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January 11th, 2008 at 7:47 am
Hi
That vid was better than good it was great Oh yes
real people talking much better than these shady marketers
vids hey and i am a marketer hahah
Anyway Moving on
One of my sites which was live for several years was in a small topic
unlike probably most of the above and the results from MSN were far better than any other search engine in that it was a better quality of traffic and therfore this related in the majority of the income from that
site being directly attributed to MSN searches google were just rubbish
frankly.
Now i know that is the opposit of what most people say however the proof is in the income as far as i am concerned not in the ranking in google or what this or that expert has to say
Just my two peneth hahah
RonnieD
January 11th, 2008 at 1:49 pm
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January 11th, 2008 at 2:39 pm
Will do Jeremiah!
January 11th, 2008 at 2:47 pm
Well Jeremiah I tried emailing you from the MSN Webmaster Center blog and got this error:
This is an automatically generated Delivery Status Notification.
Delivery to the following recipients failed.
webctrpm@microsoft.com
Any other ways to contact you?
January 11th, 2008 at 6:18 pm
Jaan,
I found your contact request. I will mail you off line. Sound alright?
Jeremiah
January 11th, 2008 at 9:08 pm
Hi Jeremiah Im a hudge fan ive been doing seo for msn sense before i knew what seo was. Also I <3 the new live. Keep up the good work man. Ill try to post more on msdn soon
January 12th, 2008 at 2:04 pm
[...] Paid Links 12 01 2008 When Google came on to the scene one aspect of their algorithm that set them apart was PageRank. PageRank (PR) was calculated on a scale of 0 to 10 and based heavily on the number and quality of links to one’s site. Of course over time ways to beat the system (link farms, paid links) were devised to beat the system, increase your search engine results and therefore gain more traffic. The link below is an interview that webproworld conducted with Microsoft - a search engine that is getting a lot better and not as temperamental as Google!! The video talks about MSN’s stance on paid links from sites such as Text Link Ads. Google flat out bans paid links and your site will be penalized if you use them. MSN takes a softer approach than Google and won’t ban you for using paid links but they certainly don’t recommend them.One more thing! I think MSN has come along significantly in their search capabilities and seem to do a better job indexing sites based on search engine optimization (SEO) practices. As mentioned above Google is very temperamental and bans sites at will - it’s becoming quite annoying and I think opening the door for a better (and new) search engine. Unfortunately MSN is not used nearly as often as Google so even if you place prominently on their site you still won’t get a lot of significant traffic. In the search business neither Yahoo or MSN will knock off Google mainly because they are old/established names that everyone already has preconceptions about. It will take a new smart startup to set Google straight. MSN Talks Webmaster Tools [...]
January 13th, 2008 at 12:33 pm
Good Video, Mike. I have a few questions for you on SEO and CPC usage, and was wondering if you can help me in the directions I need. Please shoot me an email so we can chat, as I’m in dire need.
Thanks~
Kari,
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January 14th, 2008 at 4:47 am
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January 16th, 2008 at 8:05 pm
never tried to optimise for MSN search..in fact, never used it either. Great video…I’ll keep an eye out for MSN search ..
Thanks
Thomas
January 29th, 2008 at 4:00 am
Nike is indexed via the domain name nike.com — no problem!
If they’re too stingy to register “jordans”, then that’s THEIR problem, not the search engine’s.
January 29th, 2008 at 8:28 am
Concentrate on Google, if you rank well in google … the chances are that you’ll rank well in other search engines as well.
Every search engine tends to follow google anyway …
February 15th, 2008 at 11:26 pm
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